A Theist Atheist Fun Discussion

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Professor Allan Atheist and Professor George Godtruth are friends at the university. Sitting in the faculty lounge one evening when classes and faculty were out and enjoying coffee together, they got into a deep discussion over religion.

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“I show my students a secular understanding of the world,” said Allan, “There’s no God and I resent those ignorant believers who dare to challenge my views in class. They’re just ignorant hypocrites and arrogant closed-minded proselytes of religion.”

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That really ruffled George’s feathers. He squirmed a bit in his chair, stuck his tongue to his lip, looked stern, but kept his cool.

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 “Are you saying Allan that it’s alright for you to try to change their faith but not alright for them to try to change yours? And that’s what makes them proselytes, arrogant, closed-minded and ignorant hypocrites? Do you not believe in free speech guaranteed by the American constitution? Isn’t diversity of viewpoints what constitutes a good well-rounded education? Do you deny your students human rights, the right to believe in God and even to think? You know belief in a higher power is the basis of all human rights.”

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“Hum”, Allan hesitated and took a long sip of coffee. “Well, I’m right and they’re wrong. I’m the Ph.D. professor and they’re just students--God believers at that. Nobody with good sense believes in God today. We don’t see God any more than we see the tooth fairy.”

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Leaning in toward Allan with wrinkled forehead “But Allan we know the tooth fairy exists only as a child’s parent. But people write doctrinal dissertations’ on whether Jesus Christ is God. There’s more historical evidence for Jesus than for Aristotle and Tiberius Caesar. If we can put aside our bias and check it out, we might discover good evidence Jesus is God. Besides, statistics consistently show over 90% of the population believes in God and many have Ph.D.s. Are you saying that all these God believers are stupid while you’re smart?” Ph.D.’s don’t necessarily have degrees concerned with proving or disproving God. And some Ph.D.’s I know don’t have the good sense to come out of the rain.”

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“I’m getting impatient with all this kind of talk. Don’t you know George that the scientists deny God and that evolution explains everything so that we don’t need God?”

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“No. Have you taken a survey that you can say that? I have scientist friends who believe in God. I know of organizations of hundreds of scientists all over the world who believe in God. Look up on the internet Answers in Genesis, CARM, Reasons to Believe and other apologetics blogs. You will find that just isn’t true. Besides creation believers sometimes aren’t vocal because they know evolutionists would cause them trouble and get them fired.”

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“Oh come on George, everybody knows science has proved human evolution true—the fruit fly experiments, the ape-man fossils, the arguments that show a common ancestor.”

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“The fruit fly experiments showed that fruit flies can be made to mutate long or short legs and wings or develop deformities preventing them from flying. These experiments proved only that mutations and acquired characteristics never produce anything but deformed fruit flies that die, shall I say fruitless. The thousands of missing links from molecules to man are still missing, and the arguments claimed to show a common ancestor can just as well show a common Designer.”

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“Oh but George, haven’t you seen the horse exhibit showing that dogs evolve into horses. And the pictures in science books of the monkey that takes steps to become a modern man.”

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“Yes Allan, I saw the horse exhibit that was removed from the museum because scientists finally realized it was a fake. And an artist will draw a picture to accommodate any bias we might have. Those things don’t show true scientific evidence. But they do prove a closed-minded naturalist philosophy that rejects consideration of God from the outset. I can name some scientific findings that point to God and away from atheism.”

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“Oh really, and what might they be?”

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“The scientific physical law called entropy. Like a wound clock, the universe is running down. Since something can’t come from nothing, something infinite, eternal, immaterial, immutable had to exist to account for all the things we know exist in the world. Only an uncaused cause or divine Mind can adequately explain the things we know exist—matter, life, mind, ethics and truth. So creation points specifically to a Creator like what Christians call God.”

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 “Well”, Allan took another long sip of coffee. “I haven’t turned over every stone, looked behind every star, that I can dogmatically say no God exists anywhere. But! Ha! Ha! I’ve seen some guys who looked like the missing link. And I don’t see such things as evidence of God. Besides, God hasn’t given me the things I want when I’ve prayed. That’s good enough proof for me.”

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“My friend Allan the whole time we’ve been talking here, I haven’t seen where you’ve given me any reason or evidence for not believing in God. In fact, you’ve dismissed the actual scientific evidence and only made wild accusations and criticisms which really seem to apply against your atheist position.”

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“Well George, it’s getting late. We’ll talk again another time. I guess my believing students are just blind and stubborn. I’ve got to go home to my fine loving Christian wife. If I’m late for dinner, she’ll wonder if something bad has happened to me. Ha! Ha! I guess I’m really blessed”

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George thought when Allan left,  Oh Allan, my friend if  you only knew the love and forgiveness of the Savior and the good you could do for your students. Maybe the find example of your wife will lead you to know Jesus in a wonderful transformed life.  The good life of wifes can do that. "Lord, I pray Allan will come to know you."

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